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So what part.... 

Posted Tuesday 2nd September 2008 23:10 GMT

...of non-derivative is so hard to understand?

I appreciate the satire as much as the next man, but when something is published under a (semi) open licence it should be respected... that said this *is* funny - there is a copyright allowance for satire right? :)

Scroogle and... 

Posted Tuesday 2nd September 2008 23:24 GMT

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Scroogle, CustomizeGoogle and GoogleWatch.org

At AC... 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 01:16 GMT

@AC: Where did it say the comic was under a 'non-derivative license'?

And yes, despite the fact that it was copyrighted the moment it was drawn, there are provisions for satire/parody under most copyright laws, so I think these are within the bounds of the law (but IANAL)

satire 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 02:05 GMT

i beleive satire counts as fair use :)

Fair Use 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 02:39 GMT

"I appreciate the satire as much as the next man, but when something is published under a (semi) open licence it should be respected... that said this *is* funny - there is a copyright allowance for satire right? :)"

No, anything which attempts to reduce our Fair Use/Fair Dealing rights should most certainly NOT be respected. And yes, at least under Fair Use, satire is allowed, so feel free. :)

@Anonymous Coward 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 05:49 GMT

It's called fair use... no matter what copyright and how restrictive fair use would cover this...

Very funny 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 06:51 GMT

Happy

Haha. It's even more funny when you realise the truth behind it. It really does'nt bother me, I use Google as much as they use me, I probably use them more.

Btw, disable the feedback box in Chrome. What a great browser.

David

Satire, go right ahead 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 06:52 GMT

Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell

Basically laid down the rules for when it comes to doing satire.

In essence, there are no rules.

I only read it for the articles, I swear.

"Excellent" 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 07:08 GMT

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Meh 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 07:09 GMT

Unhappy

Guys/girls, go out and have a little more fun, eh? It's just sad to think that you spent your whole evening doing this.

I mean, I'm all for a critical, objective assessment of the tech industry, but you're starting to get a little obsessive. And it would have been frankly funnier if you'd just written "boobies" all over the cartoons.

Just look at the future Chris! 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 07:33 GMT

Somehow I don't think the first poster quite understands satire......

So where do I mail my brilliant comic to...? 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 07:50 GMT

To which email address should I send my comedy genius?

Your 'Mail to this author' form lacks an attachment.

/Max

A little consideration, please 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:00 GMT

Unhappy

AC - next time you feel the need to put the name of a website such as Scroogle into your posts, please consider the wellbeing of those who do not know what the content of that site is, and who might therefore (out of pure curiosity) visit it from their office computers.I realise that I'm probably the only person on teh Internets who didn't know what Scroogle is, but there you go. I believe "NSFW" is the correct term, yes?

Re: So what part... 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:15 GMT

I don't know if it's a worldwide thing, but in my country copyright laws have specific exemptions for the right of satire.

Queer eye for the straight Google guys 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:29 GMT

All joking aside, apart from the sh*tload of rendering and other bugs* in it....

They need an Ive's figure in Google. Look at Android, angular edges, no animation to give hints, etc. Now we get googles browser, and it's all hard edges and instant heavy highlights, or *linear* expands. Design by engineer.

They need some gay guys with a sense of aesthetics come in and give their products a makeover. Actually *a* guy, design by committee doesn't work.

Example: Click new tab, the tab expands right in a linear fashion. Good, it tells you where the tab came from and where your 'new tab' button will be moved to. But it takes too long and is not natural movement.

IMHO, it should accelerate, decelerate and overshoot, springing back a little. Like a spring catch that's been released. More like a natural real world thing people can relate to better (also because it can be speeded up then, the more natural it is, the faster you can do it without it being confusing).

E.g. they made the site URL black and the rest of the URL grey, but now the type face is large and whispy as a result and needs more leading. When I type the pop down menu shows bold and green and all of these are must stronger than the whispy grey text I'm typing, drawing my eye away down from what I'm typing.

Lots of good engineering features here (like combining the URL and site warning into one), but needs a bit more design aesthetics to it.

Straight bugs:

* I am behind a proxy, I connect to any site, it asks me for the proxy login, I type it in and click ok (no button to save it), it then asks me if I want to save the passport for the site 'dilbert' - confuses the proxy password with the site password, it's trying to save the proxy password as the password for dilbert.com

* It can't cope with the .JPGs, many don't show at all, or come up as broken. They come from Photoshop and are handled by every other browser.

* tables and sizeless graphics seem to throw it... doesn't seem to know how to resize once it finds out the graphics, so graphics come up cropped.

* Like the resizeable edit fields.

Fair Use doctrine... 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:35 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_and_parody

IANAL, but surely even closed copyright work is still fair game for parody, so CC licensed is fair game for fair use surely...

Could be (and probably am) wrong!

At least I could read this without javascript. 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:47 GMT

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I wasn't going to mess about to read the original.

using chrome 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 08:55 GMT

Hold on while I just re-size this textbox to make it the size I want.. Wheeeee!

@ pastamasta 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 09:17 GMT

Joke

What Googlised version of Scroogle did you see? Its very work safe infact its an ad-free Google search proxy, there were no tits as far as I could see.

Fair use... not in the UK 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 09:48 GMT

We don't have a fair use law in the UK.

@Queer eye for the straight Google guys 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 10:01 GMT

Actually its nice clean look is about the only good thing about it, I hate all this fancy crap that wastes resources.

@Stephen Gray 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 10:03 GMT

scroogle.com is extremely NSFW, as it happens. I fell for the same trick that Pastamasta fell for; it might help if people referred to scroogle.org instead of just scroogle.

Fortunately for me I work from home, so the chances of my boss spotting my mistake are minimal. My wife and kids, on the other hand... Erk...

@David Harris 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 10:32 GMT

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"Btw, disable the feedback box in Chrome. What a great browser."

Isn't it?! I'm no google fanboy (i updated to firefox 3 yesterday and started having problems so decided to try chrome), but I've found it really great. Wonderful clean intuitive interface, no bugs (yet), love the task manager.

I should just point out 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 10:39 GMT

That being on the internet makes it available worldwide, more than just US law needs to be taken into account.

For example citing a fair use law in the UK will get you laughed at.

@Stephen Gray, David S 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 10:42 GMT

Unhappy

Ah, so that was my mistake. Yes, scroogle.com is indeed liberally plastered with tits and other miscellaneous lady parts. I am awaiting the smite-happy wrath of the corporate IT admins as we speak. On the plus side, I believe I may have set a new world record for Fastest Closure of Browser Window.

Adblock 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 11:04 GMT

Unhappy

Why does Chrome add so many new ads that aren't there when I use Firefox? Oh, that's right, Firefox has Adblock. When will Chrome get an ad blocker? When hell freezes over. Shame, other than that it's really nice.

I gave up on the original 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 11:21 GMT

Paris Hilton

so a condensed one was much appreciated.

Paris cos no one else has yet.

OY, Reg! 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 11:51 GMT

Alert

Speaking of photoshopping, whatever happened to the Old Fogies Road Sign compo from the 21st?

firebug 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 12:06 GMT

The only downside to Chrome is the lack of a firebug equivalent. the V8 javascript debugger is soooo 1980's.

Otherwise, lookin' good to me. And as for the Anonymous Coward posting: 'Queer eye for the straight Google guys ' ... what a load of bollocks.

@adblocker 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 13:22 GMT

I run Windoze so I use Proxomitron (but it's no longer supported).

www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/Proxomitron.shtml

Or try Privoxy

http://www.privoxy.org/

"How many lawyer jokes are there? None-they're all true" 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 16:17 GMT

so for these wonderful parodies..are they truly parodies? Or is this like the Court Fool, telling the truth as it really is, and disguising it as a funny hat with bells...

I dunno. Is... 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 19:38 GMT

Fair Use (US) ~=~ Fair Dealing (UK) ??

@Anonymous Faggot 

Posted Wednesday 3rd September 2008 23:19 GMT

Flame

Just because Stephen Fry loves Apple does not mean you need to be bent to enjoy good design.

Jon Ive, the Apple design GOD, is married with kids. SUre, they might be photoshopped in but I don't think so.

I love good design and I'm as straight as a fence post. I also enjoy Stephen Fry too, but not That Way.

@Adblock lovers 

Posted Thursday 4th September 2008 11:17 GMT

Go

What's wrong with a good ol' fashioned hosts file?

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.zip

cc and copyright exceptions 

Posted Friday 5th September 2008 02:18 GMT

creative commons doesn't stop your ability to use a work under any exception to copyright in your home jurisdiction. Read Clause 2 on any cc licence:

"2. Fair Dealing Rights. Nothing in this License is intended to reduce, limit, or restrict any uses free from copyright or rights arising from limitations or exceptions that are provided for in connection with the copyright protection under copyright law or other applicable laws."

UK Fair Use 

Posted Friday 5th September 2008 15:00 GMT

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

I'm not sure, but if the Copyright Service of the UK state it.... maybe we DO have a Fair Use in the UK.

And failing that, the work is copyrighted in the US, where they definitely DO have a fair use doctrine.

"Sometime's it's better to shut up and let people think you're an idiot, than to speak up and remove all doubt!"